Plantpro, you do sound happy. And it is true, many people can just enjoy alcohol but don't have to overdo it as we do. I know that at least at this point I don't want to give it up, I am hoping that nal can help me moderate as it has done for you. I had 3 AF days this week though (longest stretch in a LONG time), and they felt absolutely great. So we will see.

Keep enjoying your dates; maybe you will meet someone special!! Good luck and hugs from Newlife

Hi plantpro,

I've read your thread when I first started TSM and followed it since - that makes 19 weeks of me following your posts - so I kind of feel I know you a little

Now I have to rain on your parade To me it looks like your consumption is on a steady rise, or? Thinking you are having a good time you wouldn't be able to achieve without AL...Why not try?

I am (was) a winedrinker and your 30 US units this week is the equivalent of 1 bottle of wine 6 nights a week. To me that is still quite a lot...

I have very limited experience with nal, simply because I've only taken very few pills. But I now have a little experience with AF for the first time in 20 years, all because of TSM. I now think the effect of AL is totally overrated and I wish my fellow drinkers to experience the same. So excuse me if I sound like a preacher - I'm not. I think everyone should do what they think is best.

You really have come a long way and if you are where you want to be - everything is great, and you can place this post in your bin.

All the best

Snowflake

Snowflake I think you are incredibly lucky for Nal to have worked so well, so quickly. I agree that, to some, Plantpro's intake is still very high....I for one, definitely want to be way lower than that, but I think that his feelings and attitude have changed a lot. Which is the beginning of the end of AL as we knew it....

HUgs, Maggie

agreed. I feel like even when I'm on a binge my attitude toward AL is different. it's more work to get drunk and I don't enjoy it as much. and I'm not thinking about it NEARLY as much overall....

Week 58, 23 units, 3 af. Went out 5 nights but only drank 4 with 6, 6, 3 and a 8. My consumption has been high lately due to the fact that I continue to date in hopes of meeting someone special. With the help of the nal I am much more able to socialize and it has been a blessing. To me, and I would like to know your thoughts. The biggest thing the nal has done is the extinction of that compulsive uncontrollable behavior when alcohol is involved. I am no longer swept away in it's illusionary euphoria. I am now more able to be a witness to my current drinking pattern. With over a year of never breaking the Golden Rule under my belt. My relationship to alcohol has done a complete 180. What hasn't changed is a lifestyle viewpoint of how to have fun. What I have been doing is resorting to an old pattern of having fun in a bar with live music, socializing and dancing. Something I have always done and enjoyed but was always very unhealthy. I initially thought I was just having fun by taking the nal and drinking, but problems are now showing up I have to deal with. I believe alcohol caused these problems and the hurt that I experienced this week. I believe the shoe is on the other foot now. What I mean is the women I have been going out with are the ones with the problems. I have fallen for a few who's personalities changed as they drank, just like mine used to before TSM. I am questioning whether I can have a relationship if alcohol is involved at all. In the past, I have had a few women tell me if I quite drinking they would love to be with me. Now I am on the opposite side, I see what they mean. Maybe I am learning alcohol is not for me, I don't know. I will continue to post as I follow the GR and we will see. Received another supply of nal from alldaychemist, should last 6 months or so. I have invested over $1,000.00 and I am very happy. Good luck to all. Nal-on. Peace. Start TSM 4/10/14, pre TSM probably between 60 and 70, going as high as 85 units per week for months straight .......................................... Wks:
1-52.5.......... 11-42.75.............21-21.75, 2 af................31-17, 4 af.....................41-26.5, 2 af................51-20, 4 af
2-52.5.......... 12-36.75.............22-23, 1 af....................32-15, 4 af.....................42-17, 4 af...................52-26, 3 af
3-53.5.......... 13-27.................23-25..........................33-18, 4 af.....................43-16, 4 af...................53-23, 3 af
4-51............ 14-28.75..............24-19.5, 1 af.................34-12, 5 af.....................44-21, 3 af...................54-25, 3 af
5-50.5..........15-27.5................25-9...........................35-19, 4 af.....................45-24, 3 af...................55-29. 2 af
6-56.5..........16-27.5................26-14.75......................36-17, 4 af.....................46-22, 3 af...................56-28,2 af
7-51.............17-30..................27-19.5, 2 af.................37-16, 4 af.....................47-16, 4 af...................57-30, 1 af
8-46.............18-34.5...............28-17, 3 af....................38-30, 2 af.....................48-17, 4 af...................58-23, 3 af
9-46.............19-28.5...............29-17.5, 3 af..................39-16, 4 af.....................49-22, 3 af

Wow, Plantpro, that sounds like a real breakthrough in your thinking. It is so ironic, but I totally know what you mean, many times I have thought to myself: There is absolutely no way I could ever tolerate being with someone with a drinking problem. It is just too difficult. I am glad that the nal has given you the ability to witness what is really going on around you.

I wonder, is there some sort of compromise? Is there a way to go to places and meet women who may drink, but only very moderately? For example, my husband drinks but he almost never has more than two drinks, he just has no desire to do so. He was single until he was 40, and socialized and partied a lot, I know. I wonder if you might find some different sources for meeting those sorts of women.

Good luck to you. I have confidence you will figure it out.

Nal on!! XOXO Newlife

Is there no other way you can have fun? If you like music, can you seek out 18+ shows so there's no alcohol (or one of those venuse that split the room to drinking/not-drinking)? The not-drinking section usually has a better view anyway

I quite understand your problem Plantpro....my daughter recently stopped drinking too and now it is even harder for her to meet anyone. It is really interesting that you are seeing things from the other side now.....I am not sure what to suggest really ....have you tried on-line dating ? To go out as much as you do, it sounds as if you live in a large town, or at least somewhere with a lot of nightlife.....see if there are other things to do that do not include drinking maybe? Sorry I can't be more help.....

Hugs, Maggie

Week 59, 23 units, 2 af. Went out 5 nights with a 3, 5, 5, 3 and 7. It was my b-day weekend and a holiday so plenty of dancing and socializing. I've met someone I like and the emotional toll was heavy this week. She doesn't like the fact that I drink heavy sometimes and the night I had 7 caused a problem. It wasn't my behavior, but the fact that she was married to a alcoholic and it brought back bad memories. Since I don't get that much enjoyment from the drinking, I've decided that I can use this to my advantage. I've been thinking of weaning myself off the nal to see if there will be any noticeable effects in the way I feel. I've been on nal for over a year and I feel it is time to try and clean my system. This will also let her know I am serious and hopefully make her happy. I don't think I'll miss the going out and the empowering might be what I need. I am thinking I will limit my drinking to 2 nights with no more then 5 beers each. That would be a goal that should be easily attainable and put me at the lowest levels I've had since starting TSM. I will try it for a month but would like to see a whole row, which would be 10 weeks. TSM did what I wanted, it took away that uncontrollable drinking behavior and gave me back my life. I took advantage of TSM, I wanted to still party and be in the same situation I was in before it got out of hand. It is nothing more then a habit, I know it. I believe I have a opportunity to create a new habit that will make me happier. Nal on and keep at it. You never know when it kicks in. Peace. Start TSM 4/10/14, pre TSM probably between 60 and 70, going as high as 85 units per week for months straight .......................................... Wks:
1-52.5.......... 11-42.75.............21-21.75, 2 af................31-17, 4 af.....................41-26.5, 2 af................51-20, 4 af
2-52.5.......... 12-36.75.............22-23, 1 af....................32-15, 4 af.....................42-17, 4 af...................52-26, 3 af
3-53.5.......... 13-27.................23-25..........................33-18, 4 af.....................43-16, 4 af...................53-23, 3 af
4-51............ 14-28.75..............24-19.5, 1 af.................34-12, 5 af.....................44-21, 3 af...................54-25, 3 af
5-50.5..........15-27.5................25-9...........................35-19, 4 af.....................45-24, 3 af...................55-29. 2 af
6-56.5..........16-27.5................26-14.75......................36-17, 4 af.....................46-22, 3 af...................56-28,2 af
7-51.............17-30..................27-19.5, 2 af.................37-16, 4 af.....................47-16, 4 af...................57-30, 1 af
8-46.............18-34.5...............28-17, 3 af....................38-30, 2 af.....................48-17, 4 af...................58-23, 2 af
9-46.............19-28.5...............29-17.5, 3 af..................39-16, 4 af.....................49-22, 3 af...................59- 23, 2 af
10-42...........20-14.5, 3 af.........30-17, 4 af....................40-12, 5 af......................50-19, 4 af

Well I'll come right out and say it Plantpro, I think veering from the golden rule and drinking without nal is a bad idea. I have read far too many relapse accounts, and can't recall a single one where someone was able to go from TSM to moderation without nal. What would the plantpr0 that used to suffer through the effects of antabuse say? Are you still in touch with the therapist you met on the beach? It's you call, but I just don't see the upside.

As an alternative why not cut back to 2 drinking days per week with nal or an extended AF nal-free period and see how that goes?