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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:35 am 
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sideeffect2 wrote:
I think they are both answers. Maybe two pieces of a whole lot of answers. I am an outlier with regards to TSM. Not many of us have had an under 10 pill success story. I did however, on my own (you can go back to my earlier posts) address some of these issues that were brought up in the TED talk. Sounds like you are an outlier in regards to activities; however some of those activities are commonly associated with alcohol (ok, not caving, but who knows what hhappens in a hole in the ground...)

Those promoting ideas often do so with single minded gusto, that is accepted (at least by me), but i wont throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The longer term statistics in regards to TSM are not as rosy. 20% sounds great, but look.at the one and three year numbers. Clearly TSM is not the whole of the story.

I know that TSM advocates for a lack of concious control, but there is a place for personal responsibility also. That may irritate people, but I dont think.it makes it any less true.


I couldn't agree more with the last statement. I do think there is a measure of control in about 75%-90% of people who have some form of alcohol abuse disorder and could be classified as "alcoholic" at some point in their life, and statistics bear this out. If you read one of the several essays by Stanton Peele, he shows the statistical evidence based on clinical studies that show about 75% of people that could be labelled "alcoholic" (or maybe painted with a brush) "get better" with about 35% still drinking too much (although there is some debate about this even, as some think that even many of these fall into the moderation category more or less with occasional bouts of recreational intoxication, or they simply answered one question "wrong" on a survey even if they drink less than the standard 14-per week for men) and the rest evenly split between moderate drinking and abstinence...

I am also a quick responder and now believe that a lot my issues with alcohol were as much emotionally based as any psychological/physiological addiction. But I no longer have any cravings to speak of and now look at a bottle of beer the same way I look at a bottle of Coca-Cola, and not with special majesty I once did...


sideeffect2 wrote:
Bravery or stupidity. Or I just don't care.

I really dislike the buzz now. It has gone from pleasant inebriation to harsh and unpleasant.


Yeah, same here...

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Haven't had any alcohol since my last checkup here. Received some bad health news recently, would have liked to get drunk but I know I don't like it anymore. At any rate it could explain my not caring lately. Hopefully everything ends well.

Would be nice to have a substitute, guess I'll have to meditate and learn better coping strategies. Ugh.

Hope everyone is well.


I wish you all the best and hope you are able to overcome it...

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Week 2 : 22 / 3 AF
Week 3 : 20 / 3 AF
Week 4 : 29 / 0 AF


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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:50 am 
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Nothing much to report.

I got through my health issues, I feel better than i have in years.

I'll have maybe a sip of alcohol every so often, but I really don't even think about it anymore.

Hope everyone is well.

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Skipping nal? Not waiting the full hour?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

Pre: 14-30/wk
9 Oct 13: 2.5
15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
28 Feb 14: 2
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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:43 am 
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Side effect 2
I did read that but must confess that I got a bit lost. What does the science suggest will happen by drinking without NAL? after drinking with NaL Is the reinforcement more powerful after a long time without it?


MD

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Month 2 17.5 units 2.75 AF
Month 3 18 units 3.25 AF
Month 4 15 units 2 AF
Month 5 13 units 4.25 AF
Week 21 17 units 2 AFD
Week 22 9 units 5 AFD
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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:53 am 
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Thanks for checking in, side effect. Everything sounds great. I too haven't felt better in at least a decade. Best...

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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:09 am 
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good to hear about your progress. I too haven't felt this good in many many years...... keep it up!

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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:45 pm 
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Moderatedrinker wrote:
Side effect 2
I did read that but must confess that I got a bit lost. What does the science suggest will happen by drinking without NAL? after drinking with NaL Is the reinforcement more powerful after a long time without it?


MD


Behavioral science seems to indicate that if you drink without nal, you will receive reinforcement and become addicted again. If you drink without nal SOMETIMES, your brain learns that the buzz comes sometimes. When you're brain knows it comes sometimes, it takes much longer for the behaviour to cease, because it's saying, well, it usually happens after a time, so keep going.

So my advice is take the nal, be consistent about it. If you go off, go off, don't sometimes go off.

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Skipping nal? Not waiting the full hour?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

Pre: 14-30/wk
9 Oct 13: 2.5
15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
28 Feb 14: 2
1 Apr 14: 2


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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:58 pm 
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Had a pretty bad day, tried my hardest to drink a beer, barely got down below the neck of the bottle. Couldn't do it.

Almost 3 years since my first pill.

I hope everyone is well.

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Skipping nal? Not waiting the full hour?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

Pre: 14-30/wk
9 Oct 13: 2.5
15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
28 Feb 14: 2
1 Apr 14: 2


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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:44 pm 
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Awesome, SE2!

I've been AF since the 7th, having started in January. So far, so good.

I might go get one to have with my burrito tonight. As long as I take the pill, it's all good.


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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:24 am 
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That is brilliant Joe - have you been AF by choice or do you just not want to drink? I remember you not that long ago saying that you could not imagine having an AF day - and here you are having had nearly 3 weeks of them! Way to go!!

Hugs, Maggie

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Month 12: 4 drinks TOTAL (Dec '15)
13: 2 drinks (nearly) for Jan '16 !!!
None since Jan '16 I feel that I can safely say that I am cured!


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 Post subject: Re: quick responder
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:30 pm 
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Well, looks like it has been three years. It had been at least two years since I have had any nal. It has definitely changed my experience of alcohol. I have pretty much lost my taste for it and i would have to make a concerted effort to bring it back. I'll have a few sips now and then, never more than half a drink.

I think the stats say 20% make it to three years. I'm glad to be in the minority, but it can be done.

Best wishes and good luck to all the NAL noobs out there.

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Skipping nal? Not waiting the full hour?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement

Read "intermittent reinforcement" and "schedules"

Pre: 14-30/wk
9 Oct 13: 2.5
15 Oct 13: 3.5
17 Nov 13: 1.75
28 Feb 14: 2
1 Apr 14: 2


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